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Автор: anna ar Oct 12 2006, 01:45 AM

Once in a while I get motivational movies from different sources (if you wish, I will give you the name of the source, so you can subscribe them yourself). They help to inspire me, they answer some of my questions, they lift up my spirits. Well, now I would like to share some of them with you. Enjoy watching them. I hope they will make a difference in your life too biggrin.gif Don't forget to turn the sound on.

http://www.212movie.com/

http://www.thechoicemovie.com/

http://www.themindmovie.com/

http://www.yourpathmovie.com/





If you want, you can leave your comment, whether you liked it or not, or whatever you want to say about theese movies smile.gif

Автор: anna ar Feb 9 2007, 06:37 PM

Today I want to share a little part of the movie called "The SECRET". Buy a movie, if you can (it will blow your mind) biggrin.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8seTj0i4mY&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2MqciSMOmk&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xri8CDqriNA&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39KqIH-t4F8&mode=related&search=

Автор: oxus Feb 10 2007, 03:06 AM

Цитата(anna ar @ Feb 9 2007, 06:36 PM) *
Today I want to share a little part of the movie called "The SECRET".


Great stuff. Thanks. I will look it up at my DVD shop.
And it IS true : "Wherever you go, there you are". Both hell and paradise are here on earth. The choice is ours.

Автор: anna ar Feb 10 2007, 07:03 AM

Цитата(oxus @ Feb 9 2007, 06:06 PM) *
Great stuff. Thanks. I will look it up at my DVD shop.
And it IS true : "Wherever you go, there you are". Both hell and paradise are here on earth. The choice is ours.


Honey, you can buy "The Secret" online only (at least, right now, I already checked it out) biggrin.gif Here is the wesite http://www.thesecret.tv/home.html

Here is some more information smile.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgK0YAwYL-Y&NR

Автор: Fucin Feb 10 2007, 08:11 AM

Цитата(anna ar @ Feb 9 2007, 11:03 PM) *
Honey, you can buy "The Secret" online only (at least, right now, I already checked it out) biggrin.gif Here is the wesite http://www.thesecret.tv/home.html

Here is some more information smile.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgK0YAwYL-Y&NR

You know, I've lately been discussing with one of my fellows about these ideas on "thoughts become things", and incidentally you are bringing this movie up here.

That is really incredible, and it does make these three words prove themselves.

Thank you for the tip anyways!
“Tip of iceberg” biggrin.gif

Автор: anna ar Feb 10 2007, 08:45 AM

Цитата(Fucin @ Feb 9 2007, 11:11 PM) *
Thank you for the tip anyways!
“Tip of iceberg” biggrin.gif


My pleasure biggrin.gif fromuz_kolobok.gif

Автор: NAusa Feb 10 2007, 09:13 AM

Цитата(anna ar @ Oct 12 2006, 03:44 AM) *
Once in a while I get motivational movies from different sources (if you wish, I will give you the name of the source, so you can subscribe them yourself). They help to inspire me, they answer some of my questions, they lift up my spirits. Well, now I would like to share some of them with you. Enjoy watching them. I hope they will make a difference in your life too biggrin.gif Don't forget to turn the sound on.
If you want, you can leave your comment, whether you liked it or not, or whatever you want to say about theese movies smile.gif

Dear Anna! What a mysterious coincidence!
jуst this morning I was having warm thoughts of you and immediately this wonderfully motivating topic had appeared. It leads me to believe that you and I have a very special and spiritual relationship, one that I treasure dearly. It is of people like you that my day brightens and I find new strength to not only go on, but to love every passing moment! Your energy creates great things and I thank you! fromuz_kolobok.gif

Love,
Your Twin.

Автор: Fucin Feb 11 2007, 02:17 AM

Now I'm really feeling much better, because now I know for certain that I've been doing right things and I've always been on the right track to manifest and to get abounded.

Anna, many thanks again! smile.gif

Автор: oxus Feb 11 2007, 02:53 AM

Well that's all very well indeed. But when the chips are down and I feel depressed all I've got to do is to look at Anna's photos. blushing.gif It works jуst as well. Even better. They are so full of life and exude good vibrations. She always lifts my spirits and brings me back to life. wub.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0h_hNV51PM

Автор: Nymphetamine Feb 11 2007, 08:21 AM

Hello.
I think those clips are rather amazing. What a great way to motivate yourself and the people you care about. Yes, it's true that the choice is your and only your power, but then again, I thought about it, what gives other people the power of choice over your life? Like if you were given a power to take one's life, it's your choice, but you have power over others. It's not fair to all of us and definitly doesn't apply to everybody. How many people were victim's of others' wicked choices? And here it goes back to making the right choices, we should make them to make sure nobody else can have control over them. And if we have the chance, we should give, always give to those who are limited of choice. It's the most important thing in life - being proud of every single aspect of it in the end.
Thank you for inspiration, I really needed it at this point in my life smile.gif

Автор: oxus Feb 11 2007, 11:40 AM

Since I seem to be the only one awake at this hour smile.gif Miss, may I, first of all, welcome you to the forum. I am sure you will find lots of friends here. You are particularly welcome to this English section since we're all in great need of someone with your language proficiency. I understand that English is your mother tongue. wink.gif I was privileged to read some of your poetry and look forward to hearing more of it. So much for a welcoming ceremony. wink.gif

I agree that if you fail to control your own destiny it will be done by someone else. Having said that it is also part of human nature to delegate the painful matter of choice to someone else, to a leader. Therefore, very often it falls to one man (or woman wink.gif ) to take decisions that affect lives of a great number of people. And as you pointed out, history is replete with nasty leaders. How can we make sure that only the good ones get the job ? That I don't know.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us and I wish you every luck "at this point in you life". smile.gif

Автор: Fucin Feb 11 2007, 05:24 PM

Цитата(Nymphetamine @ Feb 11 2007, 12:21 AM) *
Hello.
I think those clips are rather amazing. What a great way to motivate yourself and the people you care about. Yes, it's true that the choice is your and only your power, but then again, I thought about it, what gives other people the power of choice over your life? Like if you were given a power to take one's life, it's your choice, but you have power over others. It's not fair to all of us and definitly doesn't apply to everybody. How many people were victim's of others' wicked choices? And here it goes back to making the right choices, we should make them to make sure nobody else can have control over them. And if we have the chance, we should give, always give to those who are limited of choice. It's the most important thing in life - being proud of every single aspect of it in the end.
Thank you for inspiration, I really needed it at this point in my life smile.gif

Let me welcome you as well to the forum, Nymphetamine, and particularly to this discussion room, from which you started exploring your new life perception. Hopefully you will find this virtual space interesting for you, and you’ll enjoy meeting people exactly the same way as your mom does. biggrin.gif

I guess your point is rather about how to avoid being controlled by other people and how to concentrate on building up your own destiny while we are surrounded by society that demands so many adjustments to be made. This is really time-consuming process, but being lived for ages within that society we’ve almost made all these adjustments to be considered as relatively independent persons, and it’s time to start doing something for yourself, distracting from any external negative influences.

The thing is that “Law of attraction” works both ways – whether you are denying or confirming. When you find yourself continually scrambling with your problems or ill wishers, be prepared that your negative impulses are being received by the Universe and an adequate response will follow. Your problems are to be multiplied, and you’ll be always wondering how it could have been if you’d only ignore all this crap and concentrate on something more delightful in your life.

This is the diligent way to send off your “good vibrations” to the Universe and according to what this movie tells you will be amazed how it can flip your life upside down. smile.gif

Автор: Nymphetamine Feb 12 2007, 04:15 AM

Цитата(oxus @ Feb 11 2007, 03:39 AM) *
Since I seem to be the only one awake at this hour smile.gif Miss, may I, first of all, welcome you to the forum. I am sure you will find lots of friends here. You are particularly welcome to this English section since we're all in great need of someone with your language proficiency. I understand that English is your mother tongue. wink.gif I was privileged to read some of your poetry and look forward to hearing more of it. So much for a welcoming ceremony. wink.gif

I agree that if you fail to control your own destiny it will be done by someone else. Having said that it is also part of human nature to delegate the painful matter of choice to someone else, to a leader. Therefore, very often it falls to one man (or woman wink.gif ) to take decisions that affect lives of a great number of people. And as you pointed out, history is replete with nasty leaders. How can we make sure that only the good ones get the job ? That I don't know.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us and I wish you every luck "at this point in you life". smile.gif


Why thank you.
And no, English isn't actually native to me at all, we've only been here for 5 years, it's jуst that I go to school and my learning progress is slightly faster than of an older person.

Yeah that's what I meant, too many people are victims of circumstances whether they want to be or not. Exactly why WE should aim high to help others out. And speaking of good and bad leaders, there's no such thing. There are ideologies and beliefs, and to some it might seem like the truth, and to some - terrible. And since they came to power, it was meant to happen, may be so that we learn on the past's mistakes, but people never learn. History repeats itself for the third time this century and we're still making the same foolish mistakes. sad.gif

Цитата(Fucin @ Feb 11 2007, 09:23 AM) *
Let me welcome you as well to the forum, Nymphetamine, and particularly to this discussion room, from which you started exploring your new life perception. Hopefully you will find this virtual space interesting for you, and you’ll enjoy meeting people exactly the same way as your mom does. biggrin.gif

I guess your point is rather about how to avoid being controlled by other people and how to concentrate on building up your own destiny while we are surrounded by society that demands so many adjustments to be made. This is really time-consuming process, but being lived for ages within that society we’ve almost made all these adjustments to be considered as relatively independent persons, and it’s time to start doing something for yourself, distracting from any external negative influences.

The thing is that “Law of attraction” works both ways – whether you are denying or confirming. When you find yourself continually scrambling with your problems or ill wishers, be prepared that your negative impulses are being received by the Universe and an adequate response will follow. Your problems are to be multiplied, and you’ll be always wondering how it could have been if you’d only ignore all this crap and concentrate on something more delightful in your life.

This is the diligent way to send off your “good vibrations” to the Universe and according to what this movie tells you will be amazed how it can flip your life upside down. smile.gif



Thanks smile.gif

Yes, I experimented with the laws of the Universe and the power of thought after reading "Подзознание может всё", Джон Кехо. I found that book fascinating and it worked o_o'.
I don't think we have to adjust to the society though. I mean yeah we must to a certain point, but it's important to be true to yourself and keep that uniqueness that comes with every single human being that walks the earth. There will always be the ones who suffer for the well-being of others, jуst to keep that balance.
Not everybody knows about the mind and thinking functions though, I'm glad I've been taught about this at such a young age, it will definitely help me in life biggrin.gif

Автор: oxus Feb 12 2007, 05:58 AM

Hi. This conversation is becoming more and more engaging. Those are great questions that you raised, Diana. Who are we ? Masters of our destiny or miserable ”victims of circumstances”? And how relative, Fucin, is this ”relative independence” that you are talking about ? Can one dramatically change his or her life or are we jуst fooling ourselves and there is no such thing as freedom of choice ? What is this freedom anyway, and how does it square with ”karma”, for example?

I take your point, Diana, about leaders espousing different ideologies, rather than being good or bad. Moreover, it is also true that calling ideologies good or bad is making a value judgment. Your evaluation will depend on where you stand on the issue. In other words there is no such thing as the absolute truth. Or is there ?

I also somewhat share you pessimistic assessment of human nature, although I would probably not go as far as maintaining that the human beings do not learn from their mistakes. Diana, why do you think we’re repeating "the same mistake for the third time ?" What is this mistake, in your view ?

Talking about ”laws of attraction” and ”the response of the Universe” I found Paulo Coelho’s Alchemist quite entertaining. ”When the person is about to live out his legend all the forces the Universe conspire to make it happen”. Rather comforting thought if you believe it, don’t you think ?

Автор: bagda Feb 12 2007, 07:02 AM

Hi guys!
Anya, thanks a lot for the uplifting videos. I was quite taken by them and now want to see the entire movie. It left such an impression on me that I immediately send it out to couple of friends. A good mate responded with a tirade that I cannot help but to share with you. Please do not be offended. Dear Tom is simply way too logical for such metaphysical interpretations. biggrin.gif

Omigod Lana, do not, I repeat, do not believe anything
you heard in that video! It's not science. Yipes!
It is so wrong, starting with the date; Einstein came
up with his "equivalence equation" in a slightly
different form in 1905, not 1925, and first wrote it
as E = mc2 in 1932.

And the statement, "On one side of the equation we
have mass and light and all that we perceive...but it
all equals energy," is totally off the wall. E = mc2
does not mean that everything in the universe is
"really" energy. It's a formula for calculating how
much total energy (kinetic, stored and potential)
exists in a body: multiply the mass of the body by the
speed of light squared. It assumes the equivalence
and interchangeability of energy and matter. And that
means that energy and matter are really two
manifestations of the same physical reality at the
basis of all existence. Neither exists without the
other, neither takes precedence over the other, and
neither can be destroyed.

The people in the "Science of the Secret" seem to be
talking about energy as something non-material,
something fundamentally different from the physical
bodies it inhabits. If there really are physical
bodies carrying our thoughts around: remember that
line about your hand not really being "solid?" And
did they really say that thoughts become real by
thinking them?

And what in the world (and I mean that literally as a
real place in space and time) is the "Law of
Attraction?" "What we concentrate on concentrates on
us?" And "What we approach approaches us?" For the
record, I will state that I have been staring at a can
of Miller High Life here on my computer table for
god-knows-how-long and it has not budged!

We're told that "all energy has a vibration," and that
"your body is energy," and that "every thought has a
frequency," In the old days, all this energy
vibrating on its own little frequency was called a
soul. It was mumbo jumbo then, and it still is today,
even if they call it an electro-magnetic aura.

What we have here is a New Age Gospel: In the
beginning was Energy, and Energy was with God, and
Energy was God.

If anybody wants to believe in God it's all right with
me. jуst don't try to dress that faith up with the
language of physics. If thoughts are to become
things, a material being has to act on them.
Remember, that mountain never did come to Mohammed, he
ended up going to it.

We should discuss this more, over a drink, don't you
think?


and yes, this discussion definitely deserves a drink, and a strong one at that. biggrin.gif

Автор: oxus Feb 12 2007, 05:44 PM

Hey, Bagda! Your mate won’t pull his punches, will he ? biggrin.gif

What does he do this friend of yours? I can see why he was outraged having seen all those blunders in the movie. Well, personally, I can’t see any harm in these videos, and whether ”the theory” behind them is consistent with regard to the laws natural science, in my view, is quite beyond the point. They are made (with good intention, one hopes) for those of us who need a proverbial ”kick in the butt” blushing.gif to get started. So it is the laws of human psyche, if anything, that we should talk about.

I agree that there is a certain religious aspect in these self-motivational movies, in the sense that you have to accept this stuff as a truth, therefore it is good as far as it is not taken to the extreme. If it is (taken to the extreme) then they are not self-motivational anymore but a cult, or worse, The Jehovah’s Witnesses. ohmy.gif (knock-knock!) laugh.gif

If one wants more science one could try Neuro - Linguistic Programming instead – this one is grounded in two sciences, as is clear from the title. It is one step further from the movies we discuss and proved to be working if applied correctly. As for ”the energy business”, I agree, that it is no good applying the terminology of Physics to such a phenomenon as ”thoughts” , for example. But then again the Physics scientists will be the first to admit the limits to their existing knowledge. Who knows, probably in our lifetime someone will come up with formulae to calculate the ”speed” and the ”mass” of a thought ? A wishful thinking, is it? unsure.gif Alas, none of us is going to live that long. :'(

Finally, I do not think we should take this ”thought is material” business literally. It is more of a metaphor, is it not, and encourages responsibility for one’s thoughts and deeds, does it not ? Well, one thing is sure, an energy or not, our thoughts influence our emotional and psychological well-being, and therefore, influence our performance in the physical world. So if these movies make some of us a better being, or more successful salesman or athlete, a more responsible taxpayer, a (more) loyal husband or wife, then why not? smile.gif

Автор: Fucin Feb 12 2007, 06:17 PM

Our relative independence from the society depends on a social and financial status of each individual.
There are people out there, and we have to consider this once we intend to show up among them. We have to exist by laws of these people – appropriately wearing, speaking, working, maintaining common order of the place.
I guess all this restricts our independence or our freedom if you wish. We have to regulate our wills to the environment we live in. Coordination btwn our desires and society’s needs is strictly adjusted.
But at the same time we still remain ”relatively independent” within that society, and we got so many choices to make, and so many ways to go, so many dreams to make them true.

I don’t believe though, that if I want something deadly, dreaming of it, striving for it, there is none on the planet that wants the very same thing and his desire is more powerful than mine. He will get it, not me. So, we are talking about some sort of contest of our own desires on the Universe level. That seems stupid!

Автор: oxus Feb 12 2007, 06:40 PM

Fancy hearing about "observing the rules of people out there" from a famous non-conformist and вольнодумец Fucin! biggrin.gif I am sure that my irony will not be lost on our Israeli friends! laugh.gif

Thanks, Slava, I got you point. And in gereral terms I agree with your vision of "relative freedom". Some people find the image of a river helpful to describe the idea : the general direction is predetermined. You are free to move inside the flow - left, right or even up the stream, if you feel like to, but always within the shores ( or banks, whatever). And it should take something greater than your personal will to change the direction of the current.

As I wrote this I remembered the song by Высоцкий - "Охота на волков" : "Мы затравлено мчимся на выстрел и не пробуем через флажки". Well, in this case as well, it is extremely hard to beat the convention (instinct) and introduce a radical change.

Автор: bagda Feb 12 2007, 07:45 PM

Цитата(oxus @ Feb 12 2007, 08:44 AM) *
Hey, Bagda! Your mate won’t pull his punches, will he ? biggrin.gif

What does he do this friend of yours? I can see why he was outraged having seen all those blunders in the movie. Well, personally, I can’t see any harm in these videos, and whether ”the theory” behind them is consistent with regard to the laws natural science, in my view, is quite beyond the point. They are made (with good intention, one hopes) for those of us who need a proverbial ”kick in the butt” blushing.gif to get started. So it is the laws of human psyche, if anything, that we should talk about.

I agree that there is a certain religious aspect in these self-motivational movies, in the sense that you have to accept this stuff as a truth, therefore it is good as far as it is not taken to the extreme. If it is (taken to the extreme) then they are not self-motivational anymore but a cult, or worse, The Jehovah’s Witnesses. ohmy.gif (knock-knock!) laugh.gif

If one wants more science one could try Neuro - Linguistic Programming instead – this one is grounded in two sciences, as is clear from the title. It is one step further from the movies we discuss and proved to be working if applied correctly. As for ”the energy business”, I agree, that it is no good applying the terminology of Physics to such a phenomenon as ”thoughts” , for example. But then again the Physics scientists will be the first to admit the limits to their existing knowledge. Who knows, probably in our lifetime someone will come up with formulae to calculate the ”speed” and the ”mass” of a thought ? A wishful thinking, is it? unsure.gif Alas, none of us is going to live that long. :'(

Finally, I do not think we should take this ”thought is material” business literally. It is more of a metaphor, is it not, and encourages responsibility for one’s thoughts and deeds, does it not ? Well, one thing is sure, an energy or not, our thoughts influence our emotional and psychological well-being, and therefore, influence our performance in the physical world. So if these movies make some of us a better being, or more successful salesman or athlete, a more responsible taxpayer, a (more) loyal husband or wife, then why not? smile.gif

Hey dude!
Dear Tom is a professional disputant but posses an amiable skill to quarrel with good humor. Nah, he is a union worker, a residual status left after his failed attempts to bring a Trotskyites revolution in South America. )))

The inspirational material in whatever form is always taken to the extent an individual will allow. In my opinion there is little difference between religious tantrums, psychological self-help sessions or any other passionate thoughts or acts. The important question is - which of those produce least harm to others and most benefit to you. People find innovative ways to look for answers and as far as I am concerned, aspiring goals is a great tool especially when acts follow ambitions. Unfortunately, humans being extraordinarily complicated creatures that we are, have great difficulties establishing objects of desires. The struggle to determine our purpose and our wants from life takes us all the way from the infancy to the death beds. I personally cannot name a single goal, the one above all, that will make me blissfully happy. Our scattered thoughts (or at least mine) that make it difficult achieving goal. Mind you however, I never seem to have problems aspiring to bigger and better. Productive or not, this is the battle most of us are familiar with.


Цитата(Fucin @ Feb 12 2007, 09:16 AM) *
I don’t believe though, that if I want something deadly, dreaming of it, striving for it, there is none on the planet that wants the very same thing and his desire is more powerful than mine. He will get it, not me. So, we are talking about some sort of contest of our own desires on the Universe level. That seems stupid!

But then yet contests can be very productive. We’re competing with others to prove something to ourselves and benchmark ourselves against the best. However I would also have to say that competition can be very destructive. It is all a fine medley of various ranges of emotions that carry us ahead…

Автор: oxus Feb 12 2007, 08:08 PM

Цитата(bagda @ Feb 12 2007, 07:44 PM) *
Hey dude!
Dear Tom failed attempts to bring a Trotskyites revolution in South America. )))

So, he's a Trot then? In that case we should forgive a harsh tone of his letter.
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The struggle to determine our purpose and our wants from life takes us all the way from the infancy to the death beds.

How true! Sometimes one wonders - is it worth all this fuss ? huh.gif

I personally cannot name a single goal, the one above all, that will make me blissfully happy.

A rudderless ship in a sea of controversy ? My dear girl, it sounds as if you were in a desperate need of a guru! Shall I fly to Austin or will you come over to Boston ?


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Автор: bagda Feb 12 2007, 08:50 PM

Цитата(oxus @ Feb 12 2007, 11:08 AM) *
A rudderless ship in a sea of contreversy ? My dear girl, it sounds as if you were in a desperate need of a guru! Shall I fly to Austin or will you come over to Boston ?

I have sneaky suspicions of the exact nature of your “guru” abilities you’re implying. dry.gif
Нет тебе веры!!! ))) (и не гладь довольно пузо)

Автор: oxus Feb 12 2007, 09:09 PM

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

luv ya. wink.gif

Автор: Nymphetamine Feb 13 2007, 02:58 AM

Цитата(oxus @ Feb 11 2007, 09:58 PM) *
Hi. This conversation is becoming more and more engaging. Those are great questions that you raised, Diana. Who are we ? Masters of our destiny or miserable ”victims of circumstances”? And how relative, Fucin, is this ”relative independence” that you are talking about ? Can one dramatically change his or her life or are we jуst fooling ourselves and there is no such thing as freedom of choice ? What is this freedom anyway, and how does it square with ”karma”, for example?

I take your point, Diana, about leaders espousing different ideologies, rather than being good or bad. Moreover, it is also true that calling ideologies good or bad is making a value judgment. Your evaluation will depend on where you stand on the issue. In other words there is no such thing as the absolute truth. Or is there ?

I also somewhat share you pessimistic assessment of human nature, although I would probably not go as far as maintaining that the human beings do not learn from their mistakes. Diana, why do you think we’re repeating "the same mistake for the third time ?" What is this mistake, in your view ?

Talking about ”laws of attraction” and ”the response of the Universe” I found Paulo Coelho’s Alchemist quite entertaining. ”When the person is about to live out his legend all the forces the Universe conspire to make it happen”. Rather comforting thought if you believe it, don’t you think ?


Well, first of all I read Coelho's Alchemist a year ago and loved it. I read his other books too, I think he's a genius.
What I said about history repeating itself is that we're in a World War III now, without it being named yet. The Second World War was the result of people not being able to learn from the first, and now what? Innocent people are dying because of political disputes.

Автор: oxus Feb 13 2007, 03:44 AM

Цитата(Nymphetamine @ Feb 13 2007, 02:58 AM) *
Well, first of all I read Coelho's Alchemist a year ago and loved it. I read his other books too, I think he's a genius.

Yes, it's a great book. But the only one I read, I am afraid. What about other books? Which one would you recommend ?

What I said about history repeating itself is that we're in a World War III now, without it being named yet. The Second World War was the result of people not being able to learn from the first, and now what? Innocent people are dying because of political disputes.


I can see now and share your disappointment. I think part of the problem is that there are quite a number of people, some of them very powerful decision-makers, who think that war is a natural state of affairs. And peace is nothing but a very brief period between wars. For this people, a human being is jуst another animal in the jungle, driven by primordial instincts - survival and competition. Yet, there are others who believe that Good God created man ( and a woman wink.gif ) in His own Image, and wars are results of human ignorance.

What do you think ? And how can we stop wars ?

Автор: Nymphetamine Feb 13 2007, 04:28 AM

Цитата(oxus @ Feb 12 2007, 07:44 PM) *
I can see now and share your disappointment. I think part of the problem is that there are quite a number of people, some of them very powerful decision-makers, who think that war is a natural state of affairs. And peace is nothing but a very brief period between wars. For this people, a human being is jуst another animal in the jungle, driven by primordial instincts - survival and competition. Yet, there are others who believe that Good God created man ( and a woman wink.gif ) in His own Image, and wars are results of human ignorance.

What do you think ? And how can we stop wars ?


Wars are impossible to avoid, it's human nature, it comes way back from the tribal times and it's engraved in our genes. The best thing we can do is to be pro-peace and not anti-war smile.gif

Speaking of Coelho, I actually wrote an essay for my Russian class last year, here it is :

Сегодня я хочу вам поведать о гениальном писателе и филослофе- Пауло Коэльо. Ему только недавно исполнилось пятьдесят лет, он родился в Бразилии, Рио - Дэ - Жанейро, в 1947 г. Его слава внезапно взорвала мир, когда его первый бестселлер «Алхимик» вышел в свет. Он стал одним из самых читаемых современных писателей. Его феномен « Идти по дороге света без предрассудков и предубеждений» . Его работы уже ставят на одном уровне с классикой как «Маленький Принц» и «Чайка по имени Джонатан Ливингстон». Критики говорят что секрет его успеха в глубокой мудрости писателся, в своих книгах он даёт нам много почвы для размышления. Он пытается научить нас урокам жизни и в то же время кажется, что он много чего недоговаривает. Он оставляет нам возможность продумать всё самим и сделать свои выводы.
Жизненный путь человека. У каждого он свой. Одни идут слепо, прожигая жизнь день за днём. Другие - задаваясь вопросами о смысле жизни и своём предназначении в этом мире, выбирают путь духовного развития. Это- путь сильного человека, готового к неожиданным поворотам судьбы, страданиям и лишениям. Он принимает всё это с благодарностью, как уроки, посланные ему свыше, как ступеньки на пути своего духовного развития.
В произведении «Алхимик» автор описывает Путь главного героя, используя аллегории.
Обычный пастух, с установившимся и привычным укладом жизни, отправился к египетским пирамидам в поисках сокровищ. На этом пути его ожидают захватывающие приключения. Судьба посылает ему как интересные, так и опасные встречи, каждая из которых становится важным этапом на его пути. Путешествие помогает герою познакомится с частичками самого себя, научиться доверять людям, разгадывать тайные знаки, посылаемые Вселенной, слушать окружающую природу и самое главное - внимать собственному сердцу. Он проходит длинный путь, находит сокровища и в итоге –обретает себя.
Произведение написанно в форме философской сказки. Её смыслом является поиск своего собственного пути, который есть у каждого человека: «...кем бы ты не был, чего бы ты не хотел, но если чего-нибудь сильно хочешь, то непременно получишь, ибо желание родилось в душе Вселенной. Это твоё предназначение на Земле».
У каждого есть своя мечта или цель. Думая о ней, мы идём к ней своим собственным путём, ведь именно для этого и явились на этот свет. Для человека ищущего, активного, талантливого добиться воплощения своей судьбы становится подленным смыслом жизни. Для человека сильного духом, неудачи и поражения на его пути становятся уроками. Он понимает их и принимает с благодарностью. И тогда человек становится ещё сильней, светлей, добрей и мудрей. Теперь он готов к главной награде, уготовленной ему судьбой - встрече с Любовью.
Мне очень понравилось, что пастух говорит о любви: «Любовь это когда любишь и способен стать кем угодно», «Любовь – это сила, которая преображает и улучшает душу Мира».
Продолжением темы духовного пути, любви и своего предназначения на Земле является другое произведение Пауло Коэльо « На Берегу Рио Пьедра я Села и Зплакала». Автор выбирает тему религии, человека, служащего Богу и несущего любовь людям. Интересно и само отношение и уважение писателя, приверженца католицизма, к различным религиям: «Мне кажется, что я понял, что все религии ведут к одной высшей цели. Мне кажется, что идеал человечества- идти по дороге света без предрассудков и предубеждений. Религии лишь помогают обрести этот путь, который неизбежно приводит к необходимости быть с людьми и оставатся терпимым и милосердным». Ключевым словом является фраза: «... выбор своего духовного пути - это твоя ответственность перед всеми остальными людьми».
Повествование книги идёт о молодом человеке, избравшим путь служения Богу, обладающим особым даром и молодой женщине, с которой его связывают детство и юность. В определённый момент их судьбы разошлись и каждый из них пошёл своим собственным путём. Но на протяжении долгих одиннадцати лет разлуки, каждый из них хранил теплые воспоминания тех нежных лет, когда они были веселы, беспечны и счастливы. Когда делились своими секретами и мечтами.
Жизнь изменила героев. Каждый их них в своём пути в одиночку многому научился. И вот настал момент, когда они готовы и желают вновь приобрести то счастье, которое познали, будучи детьми и обладая чистыми и светлыми душами. Кто знает, быть может они встретились когда-то, чтобы знать друг о друге?
Но не так просто двум, ставшими зрелыми людям, начать совместный путь. Ведь как любое путешествие, он может предвещать неожиданные повторы и препятствия. Именно в такие моменты, когда люди идут рука об руку, ободряя и поддерживая друг друга, они становятся ближе духовно и осознают всю бесценность полученного дара Небес – Любви. Ведь это великое чувство способно вдохновить человекана самое лучшее. Главный герой говорит своей возлюбленной : « Твоя любовь спасла меня и возвратила к моим мечтам»... «Господь всегда давал мне вторую попытку. Он даёт мне тебя и ты поможешь мне вновь обрести мой путь».
Каждый человек задаёт вопрос своему сердцу и печально, если оно скажет ему: « Что сделал ты с теми чудесами, которыми Бог так щедро усеял твои дни, досуги твои и труды? Как употребил ты таланты, которые вверил тебе твой Наставник? Зарыл поглубже, потомучто боялся потерять? Что же, отныне достоянием твоим будет лишь уверенность в том, что жизнь свою ты промотал и растратил, расточил и рассеял».
У каждого человека есть мысленные камни Умим и Турим. Он и только он волен выбрать свой путь и распоряжаться своей судьбой.

Автор: oxus Feb 13 2007, 05:11 AM

I see. I also think that all we can do is to restrict a bellicose human nature by various mechanisms, international law being one of them.
Thanks for posting your essay. It's very well written. I bet you got A for it. I will look for Coelho's other book that you mention.
I enjoyed reading Alchemist a lot. If you remember the boy receives lots of various omens. Do you get any?

Автор: Fucin Feb 13 2007, 06:34 AM

Цитата(bagda @ Feb 12 2007, 11:44 AM) *
But then yet contests can be very productive. We’re competing with others to prove something to ourselves and benchmark ourselves against the best. However I would also have to say that competition can be very destructive. It is all a fine medley of various ranges of emotions that carry us ahead…

I totally agree with that.

But this film clearly states that the Universe and we are tied into the one physical system, and physical laws regulate our relations.

So our minds are streaming out to some kind of matrix, which is the Universe as vectors with certain strength, and angle. We are sincerely anticipating getting a response, which is supposed to be a kind of direct reflection from that matrix.

But there are so many other vectors flowing at the same time and divert each other, so many influences are going on, and it seems as jуst one big mess.

So if we apply physical laws to that mess, the only thing to be of proper solution would be a sum of all incoming vectors at the same time, and response to this summed vector is not necessarily supposed to come back to us, as a direct reflection of our mind.

Most certain what gonna happen in that case is that response will come back to an unexpected direction, to someone, who doesn’t deserve at all. biggrin.gif

Автор: Red Sniper Feb 14 2007, 12:15 AM

Outstanding discussion! I absolutely enjoyed reading through..
Long time haven't see so synergetic and intelligent discussion..


Welcome to Diana.
You have a beautiful mind and a very clear logic..

One little though about wars and human nature:
“If people wanted to stop wars, they could have done it a while ago..”
(jуst philosophical though)

Автор: mechtatel Feb 14 2007, 01:32 AM

Wow!!! It seems to me you guys finally got your groove.
I didn’t see these videos, but got the idea.
No, don’t worry. I am not going to attack all of you at the same time.
I’ll crash you one by one (I am jуst kidding). Live longer and well, I need you and your presence.
Otherwise I can’t feel myself as a leader, reining supreme above you all.
Good or bad, I am the ONE!!! biggrin.gif fromuz_kolobok.gif

Fucin, you are good. You are not that good, but GOOD. wink.gif
“Our relative independence from the society depends on a social and financial status of each individual.”
Fucin, did you come to those conclusions on your own, fighting the downstream? The theory, recited by you is one of the proven logical pathway prevalent with majority of philosophers and thinkers.
I jуst wish to add little correction.
Maybe not from society but from other individuals within the society, because your Social and Financial status could be achieved only through interaction with the rest of society. Even if you move away from one, you get closer to another one.

“They are made (with good intention, one hopes) for those of us who need a proverbial ”kick in the butt” to get started. So it is the laws of human psyche, if anything, that we should talk about.”
Oxus, you are not that far behind. wink.gif
I like your approach: “Ends justify the means”.
Hey guys, go ahead, massage your minds. I’ll be watching. Actually I enjoy reading your verses. I would love to join you, but it is not my cup of tea.
But I'll support you all the way to Saint Pete’s doors .

Автор: bagda Feb 14 2007, 02:03 AM

Цитата(Fucin @ Feb 12 2007, 09:34 PM) *
I totally agree with that.

But this film clearly states that the Universe and we are tied into the one physical system, and physical laws regulate our relations.

So our minds are streaming out to some kind of matrix, which is the Universe as vectors with certain strength, and angle. We are sincerely anticipating getting a response, which is supposed to be a kind of direct reflection from that matrix.

But there are so many other vectors flowing at the same time and divert each other, so many influences are going on, and it seems as jуst one big mess.

So if we apply physical laws to that mess, the only thing to be of proper solution would be a sum of all incoming vectors at the same time, and response to this summed vector is not necessarily supposed to come back to us, as a direct reflection of our mind.

Fucin, goodness! What an imagination! biggrin.gif Either that, or as Canadian Sergey claims, a high-quality weed. )) It does remind me of the idea where universe is compared to a computer with channels and thoughts as communication devices where one disturbance, creates turbulence at an entirely different port. With common folks this concept is also called karma, something I genuinely believe in.

Цитата(Fucin @ Feb 12 2007, 09:34 PM) *
Most certain what gonna happen in that case is that response will come back to an unexpected direction, to someone, who doesn’t deserve at all. biggrin.gif

Here you question whether our input is proportional to the outcome… whether destiny creates or is created. Certainly being in the right place at the right time matters - the question is how much?

Автор: Red Sniper Feb 14 2007, 02:36 AM

Цитата(Fucin @ Feb 12 2007, 07:34 PM) *
But there are so many other vectors flowing at the same time and divert each other, so many influences are going on, and it seems as jуst one big mess.

So if we apply physical laws to that mess, the only thing to be of proper solution would be a sum of all incoming vectors at the same time, and response to this summed vector is not necessarily supposed to come back to us, as a direct reflection of our mind.



Don't you think that the mess is jуst a higher level of order we don't understand?
For all of a sudden "N th" measure can be explained by "N-1" projection!!
So, extrapolation may help!!

Автор: oxus Feb 14 2007, 08:49 AM

Цитата(mechtatel @ Feb 14 2007, 01:32 AM) *
I’ll crash you one by one
Otherwise I can’t feel myself as a leader, reining supreme above you all.


Do I adore this guy or what ? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif A true Bearman, the Monster of the Midway! biggrin.gif


Цитата(Fucin @ Feb 13 2007, 06:34 AM) *
But this film clearly states that the Universe and we are tied into the one physical system, and physical laws regulate our relations.

So our minds are streaming out to some kind of matrix, which is the Universe as vectors with certain strength, and angle. We are sincerely anticipating getting a response, which is supposed to be a kind of direct reflection from that matrix.

But there are so many other vectors flowing at the same time and divert each other, so many influences are going on, and it seems as jуst one big mess.

So if we apply physical laws to that mess, the only thing to be of proper solution would be a sum of all incoming vectors at the same time, and response to this summed vector is not necessarily supposed to come back to us, as a direct reflection of our mind.

Most certain what gonna happen in that case is that response will come back to an unexpected direction, to someone, who doesn’t deserve at all. biggrin.gif


Confess, Fucin, you must be a great fan of cue sports. biggrin.gif It’s jуst that I can’t help visualizing the model you describe as a closed rigid system of billiard balls.

I do not quite understand whether you’re simply interpreting the videos or offering your own model. Unless you state otherwise, I will assume that you’re defending you own thesis. tongue.gif

Tell me if there’s any particular reason why you are attributing physical properties that are best described by the laws of classical mechanics to such immaterial phenomena as products of human mind (desires, aspirations, thoughts, etc) ? If you insist on 'physical laws' as the best way of describing the dynamics within the system don’t you think that Quantum Mechanics would be better equipped to describe the structure of the system as well as relations between its elements ? One of the virtues of simpler models (according the principle of parsimony) is a more predictable outcome. But it seems that one main feature of your model is its Brownian-type interaction between vectors that results in complete chaos. Moreover the behaviour of your unpredictable summary vector makes me think of chaos theory (and its butterfly effect) that is applied to describe the behaviour of non-linear dynamic systems.

I am no good at any branch of physics and therefore welcome my friend Mamont to massacre all that crap I produced above. Like Bagda I am quite happy with the karmic paradigm, which, if stripped of all its mystical and religious outfit, is no more than a common-sense 'cause and effect' relationship.

Автор: Fucin Feb 15 2007, 01:15 AM

Цитата(bagda @ Feb 13 2007, 06:02 PM) *
Fucin, goodness! What an imagination! biggrin.gif Either that, or as Canadian Sergey claims, a high-quality weed. )) It does remind me of the idea where universe is compared to a computer with channels and thoughts as communication devices where one disturbance, creates turbulence at an entirely different port. With common folks this concept is also called karma, something I genuinely believe in.
Here you question whether our input is proportional to the outcome… whether destiny creates or is created. Certainly being in the right place at the right time matters - the question is how much?

You can call this a weed. It won’t be offensive to me. You can call this ”brain juice” as well or whatever you think right. biggrin.gif
But after a while it did remind me something but computers and ports. wink.gif Sorry, Bagda, I am so illiterate when it comes to high cybernetic processes. I am down here, next to the simple basis, and it reminds me lots of spermatozoids wading through to get impregnated, and not necessarily the best and the strongest will be the one. biggrin.gif
I wish you could imagine these processes sometimes in a very proximate term as well as you’re well describing computer disturbances. wink.gif
Цитата(Red Sniper @ Feb 13 2007, 06:36 PM) *
Don't you think that the mess is jуst a higher level of order we don't understand?
For all of a sudden "N th" measure can be explained by "N-1" projection!!
So, extrapolation may help!!

Hey, Iron Felix and welcome aboard!
Your comments are welcome as well!
But could you please spell it out for me and clarify what you exactly mean by this sentence:

"For all of a sudden "N th" measure can be explained by "N-1" projection"
Цитата(oxus @ Feb 14 2007, 12:49 AM) *
Confess, Fucin, you must be a great fan of cue sports. biggrin.gif It’s jуst that I can’t help visualizing the model you describe as a closed rigid system of billiard balls.

I do not quite understand whether you’re simply interpreting the videos or offering your own model. Unless you state otherwise, I will assume that you’re defending you own thesis. tongue.gif

Tell me if there’s any particular reason why you are attributing physical properties that are best described by the laws of classical mechanics to such immaterial phenomena as products of human mind (desires, aspirations, thoughts, etc) ? If you insist on 'physical laws' as the best way of describing the dynamics within the system don’t you think that Quantum Mechanics would be better equipped to describe the structure of the system as well as relations between its elements ? One of the virtues of simpler models (according the principle of parsimony) is a more predictable outcome. But it seems that one main feature of your model is its Brownian-type interaction between vectors that results in complete chaos. Moreover the behaviour of your unpredictable summary vector makes me think of chaos theory (and its butterfly effect) that is applied to describe the behaviour of non-linear dynamic systems.

Hey, Oxus!:)
Since I am mechanical engineer, this vectors model has mechanical roots in my universe vision. It shouldn’t be necessarily right, that’s why I am sharing my thoughts with you guys. unsure.gif

My point is that ”law of attraction” means some forces are going on between cosmic bodies. So we can extract those forces from our thoughts and dreams and make them tangible. That’s why I came to that funny model, to which you might have lots of rewarding comments. wink.gif

Regarding Quantum Mechanics I have to admit I have nothing to do with that, but I know that there is still unclear whether micro-objects in Quantum Mechanics transact as particles or as waves. Both descriptions would be right in different conditions, and I have not enough knowledge and skills to apply this postulate to my model. cool.gif

Автор: oxus Feb 15 2007, 04:04 AM

Slava, thanks for your clarification, your model makes much more sense to me now. As I said I myself know next to nothing about Quantum Physics, and it is rather mathematical modelling and Game Theory that fascinate me. But I am not an expert, indeed. Since it appears to be Confession Time, I have to admit that I am also quite illiterate when it comes to computers. Fucin, I couldn’t help noticing that Biology is not particularly up you street either. huh.gif Prepare for a shock, my dear fellow : ”spermatozoids do not get impregnated”. Quite to the contrary, it is the sperm that impregnates the egg! laugh.gif laugh.gif

Sorry, mate, I know it was jуst a typo, but I couldn’t let you get away with it! The temptation was too great! tongue.gif

I do not find your model funny, far from it, it did capture my imagination. As I said, I think that its main virtue is its simplicity : we assume that our thoughts in the Universe interact in the same way as solid physical objects. The logical corollary of this assumption would be the expectation that we can now model different processes and somehow manage the whole thing. But it’s not what I got from your description of the system. It seems as if you were treating the vector- interaction process as a black box: you have a thought-vector entering the system, then because of the level of entropy (disorder) inside you cannot predict the parameters of the out-coming vector. Moreover, to make things worse, you cannot even know for sure where exactly (from which side of the box) it will come out! Much like the banned dumdum bullet – it hits your foot and may well come out of your eye socket. (I hope Red Sniper will appreciate the analogy wink.gif ).

So, I guess, my question is what does you model help to achieve?

Автор: Fucin Feb 15 2007, 04:42 AM

You won’t believe but the contrary to what I said was what I really meant.
Oxus, and especially Bagda, I beg pardon for the misconception! blushing.gif

All that I wanted to achieve with my statement, which is quite well treated by local surgeons, is that there is a huge diversity of human thoughts and minds are flying, pulsing, snaking jogging and jerking to the "Egg", and our hopeless expectations may be jуst lost somewhere in the midway to the aim, and Universe won’t be able to manifest anything back.

But we’ll get over anyway. cool.gif

Автор: oxus Feb 15 2007, 04:56 AM

No further questions, Your Honor. biggrin.gif I presume we shall let you off the hook. For now. wink.gif
Hey, Fucin, check it out - I found a graphical depiction for your model! Not quite but close, isn't it ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBtGFRCngrY

by courtesy of LenokM rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif

Автор: oxus Feb 15 2007, 11:19 PM

Цитата(Fucin @ Feb 15 2007, 04:42 AM) *
You won’t believe but the contrary to what I said was what I really meant.
Oxus, and especially Bagda, I beg pardon for the misconception! blushing.gif


Wow! ohmy.gif I missed this excellent play on words!

misconception как производное от

conception :

1 [uncountable and countable] an idea about what something is like, or a general understanding of something

2 [uncountable and countable] the process by which a woman or female animal becomes pregnant, or the time when this happens

Bravo!

Автор: anna ar Mar 3 2007, 10:35 PM

Цитата(oxus @ Feb 14 2007, 07:55 PM) *
No further questions, Your Honor. biggrin.gif I presume we shall let you off the hook. For now. wink.gif
Hey, Fucin, check it out - I found a graphical depiction for your model! Not quite but close, isn't it ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBtGFRCngrY

by courtesy of LenokM rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif



I like "Lexus" commercials, not jуst because they are so beautiful, but also because they carry the message (besides the one, that says "buy me" laugh.gif ). I found a particular "Lexus" commercial, that will suite our topic jуst perfectly. Ladys and Gentelmen: "Pursue the Moment" biggrin.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXmcpHgKqn4&mode=related&search=

Автор: oxus Mar 3 2007, 11:38 PM

Цитата(anna ar @ Mar 3 2007, 10:35 PM) *
I like "Lexus" commercials, not jуst because they are so beautiful, but also because they carry the message (besides the one, that says "buy me" laugh.gif ). I found a particular "Lexus" commercial, that will suite our topic jуst perfectly. Ladys and Gentelmen: "Pursue the Moment" biggrin.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXmcpHgKqn4&mode=related&search=



It's a beaut, Hon. True, some of them are works of art.

Автор: Хороший человег Mar 5 2007, 06:45 PM

hi all of you guys!
your level of english amuses me. as all of you russian-speaking, that makes me impressed smile.gif

Автор: anna ar Jun 2 2007, 04:01 AM

Новенькое biggrin.gif

http://www.natureofsuccessmovie.com/

Автор: MalenkiBahtishka Jun 2 2007, 04:41 AM

Цитата(anna ar @ Jun 2 2007, 06:00 AM) *
Новенькое biggrin.gif

http://www.natureofsuccessmovie.com/


Are you all showing off here? What about someone like " Little Bahtishka" ? I want to participate too, but
not sure what can I brag about. Oh...I know. I can be a motivator like Tony Robbins. Y'ALL will hear from
me again with my new motivational technics.
P.S. Where is your little froggy avatar?

Автор: anna ar Jun 2 2007, 07:47 AM

[quote name='MalenkiBahtishka' date='Jun 1 2007, 08:41 PM' post='1368269']
[quote]Are you all showing off here?[/quote]

Totally, dude ©

[quote]What about someone like "Little Bahtishka" ?[/quote]

What about him?

[quote]
I want to participate too, but not sure what can I brag about.[/quote]

Here you can brag about almost anything, that make you happy. Please be our honored guest biggrin.gif

[quote]Oh...I know. I can be a motivator like Tony Robbins.[/quote]

GREAT! So, are you ready to share your (Tony Robbins's) wisdom with us? (for example something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTl0gLHn6d0 )

[quote]Y'ALL will hear from me again with my new motivational technics.[/quote]

Definitely looking forward to that! smile.gif
[quote]
P.S. Where is your little froggy avatar?[/quote]

I burned it ohmy.gif (jуst like in the fairy tail rolleyes.gif )

Автор: MalenkiBahtishka Jun 3 2007, 11:09 AM

Цитата(anna ar @ Jun 2 2007, 09:47 AM) *
Totally, dude ©
What about him?
Here you can brag about almost anything, that make you happy. Please be our honored guest biggrin.gif
GREAT! So, are you ready to share your (Tony Robbins's) wisdom with us? (for example something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTl0gLHn6d0 )
Definitely looking forward to that! smile.gif
I burned it ohmy.gif (jуst like in the fairy tail rolleyes.gif )


In the age of computers, cell phones,cable TV etc. we are all susceptible to a new kind of destruction to live our lives in full. It is STRESS! No matter what you do. Either you work for a respectable law firm in L.A. ,
running your own business or selling dill at Alaisky Farmers Market in Tashkent. You accumulate some bad
energy. So, instead of promoting Tony Robbins with his greed motivated techniques I would like to introduce you to a first step to "live your life. Now", an amazing way of relaxation. The native Americans, I think,
had it all. So...turn off the lights. Open your windows. Burn some sage plant. And listen to this amazing music of Carlos Nakai meditating on light... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOGaUIaOKmE

Автор: MalenkiBahtishka Jun 5 2007, 08:05 PM

I assume everybody is meditating... biggrin.gif

Автор: lanagr Jan 7 2009, 08:54 PM

Liars Club Names the Best Lie of 2008:

The Burlington Liars Club bestowed its top award for this line: "My grandson is the most persuasive liar I have ever met. By the time he was 2 years old he could dirty his diaper and make his mother believe someone else had done it."


Автор: Romario-tashkent Mar 13 2009, 12:50 PM

Ohhhh! I enjoy life! And I defenitely will enjoy it even more being in Australia!!! )) Enjoying life in Australia - much better than in Russia ))) Do you agree with me, bro?

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